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fuzzy p asked in PetsHorses · 7 years ago

Stubborn horse?

I have a four year old mare, I've always had her. She has been going well, walk trot and canter. No ground issues or anything. She is a very hot headed warmblood though, she is stubborn and does not like doing something she does not want to do. Lately she has been walking along fine, trotting fine, and when I have asked her to canter she started throwing small bucks as if pissed off. Now she is starting to suddenly stop at the trot and when I kick her forward she is rearing. It's not intended to get me off but she is clearly being stubborn and saying "I don't want to do that". Usually what I do is stand her, bend her neck back and forth until she gives me her mouth then trot again and keep doing this until she stops. I've owned a lot of horses so I have learned to just relax, pet her when she moves forward, try not to loose my cool and such but this one is stumping me. I've used a crop and very small spurs to get after her but this makes things worse and she reacts more violently to it (spinning and bucking). The most I seem to accomplish is to stay quiet until she negotiates to try again. I'm looking at finding a trainer to get on her and help me out, but in the meantime wondering what I could try? (She is not sore, and my saddle and bit are fine). Had a friend ride her with different gear and she was doing the same thing. (She also rears when worming). This has to be a combination of stubborn horse and clueless rider. Any ideas?

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  • 7 years ago

    A trainer will only solve the problem temporarily unless they train you too. A "trained" horse in the wrong hands ends up in a disaster. Not to say that you're a bad handler but there's clearly been somethings that you hadn't picked up on until it was too late. Be sure that you aren't hanging on her mouth when she stops. Most horses rear because they have no release in another direction, so they go up. Stick her back on the longe line and see what happens without a rider. Does she walk trot and canter without objection or does she give you the same problem. Do this both with and without tack. Maybe back off on serious work for a while. I don't know how often you ride but some horses aren't a fan of serious work. She may not mentally be ready. Just get on and walk her on a loose rein for a few rides. Maybe trot a little with minimal contact. Seek help from a trusted riding instructor though, if they suggest a trainer, go from there.

  • 7 years ago

    She has a ton of bad habits. In your place, I'd find a trainer, and leave her with that trainer at least three months. She's what is called a "bad actor", and these horses are just a true pain. I never had one, but I had a student or two who did. And there was no way I was going to get on these horses to try to straighten them out.

    What a trainer will likely do is put her in a surcingle, and start over, doing ground work, with a head set, all of that stuff. Then put a rider on, but with the trainer still calling the shots. Next, and still in the round ring, a trainer on her, asking her to do what she had learned by being driven from the ground. I suspect this was never done with this horse, and that is why you are having problems.

    At this point, she is beyond your capabilities. Any horse that is rearing, stopping, etc., isn't truly broke.

    So you begin with her at step one, with learning from the ground.

    Source(s): Horses all my life. Showed, judged, taught others to ride, and show.
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    7 years ago

    Sounds like she's taking the **** out of you it means you are NOT firm enough with her (not leading !)

    what you need to do is the "join-up" or get someone to do it for you and establish your self as leader (Alpha)

    and she the follower then no more problems!! NOTE: DO NOT use a whip on her you'll only make matters

    worse!!

    Source(s): A Horse Master / Whisperer of 55yrs+
  • 7 years ago

    Many times these little fits start with the horse in pain, especially back or wither pain. A young horses body and back especially change a TON as they mature and get fit. A saddle that fit well is in 6 months often completely out of whack. So I would rule out her back giving her issues. I had a horse like this and two visits from the chiro fixed his issue 100% along with a better saddle.

    Or, she could be developing a truly bad habit and you have to seriously nip it in the bud with the help of coaching and support. My philosophy for these kinds of infractions is not to "get after" a horse because this often escalates into an argument and a pissy attitude but to "get in and get out" -- meaning spank them once as hard as you can with every ounce of hutzpa you can muster and then ride on like nothing happened. You choose the worst things first to correct (not respecting the forward cue of your leg for example because you desperately need this especially if she is rearing--spank just behind your ignored leg cue). You also have to be very generous with your praise so it is super clear to her what is good vs. bad. If you spank her like you mean it, she will avoid the behavior that gets her spanked -- but only as long as she knows there is softness and an easygoing lightness from you when she behaves. She has to have something to work FOR and not just avoid. You have to ride her like you expect her to be great and then have the stick (not you--the stick) spank hell out of her if she misbehaves.

  • 7 years ago

    I agree with Judy. Eliminate the cause as a pinching saddle or even wolf teeth...

  • 7 years ago

    I agree, she is becoming dangerous and you need to face that. Get somebody to work with her before you get seriously injured.

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